NBA Roundtable

Available Talent In Trade Market

In Trade Talk on January 25, 2010 at 10:17 am

I’ve been reading a lot of these trade rumours over the past few weeks and there’s one thought that I can’t shake – there isn’t that much talent actually available at the trade deadline.

Division by Division

Atlantic Division

Boston Celtics

The Celtics are offering Ray Allen and other expiring contracts in trades.

New Jersey Nets

The Nets are keeping their best talent while trying to make moves next summer. Devin Harris could be available if it brought them back an All-Star talent.

New York Knicks

The Knicks aren’t willing to take back any contracts that risk their 2010 and are reluctant to part with any assets that figure into their long term plans (Gallinari, Chandler).

Philadelphia 76ers

The Sixers are desperate to make a move but they can’t trade either of the two players they wish to get rid of – Elton Brand and Sammy Dalembert.

They are considering making Andre Iguodala available if the other team was willing to take one of those contracts off their hands.

Central Division

Cleveland Cavaliers

The Cavaliers have a bunch of expiring contracts that they’re shopping around.

Chicago Bulls

The Bulls are planning for the summer of 2010. Kirk Hinrich and his contract are available. Although, there is some uncertainty as to what exactly they’re asking for in exchange for Kirk. John Salmons may, and likely will, be made available as the trade deadline approaches.

Detroit Pistons

Persistent rumours as to the availability of Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. Uncertainty of whether Detroit are looking for talent or cap flexibility though.

Indiana Pacers

TJ Ford is available for a very low price. Jeff Foster and Troy Murphy may also be made available for cap flexibility.

Milwaukee Bucks

The Bucks aren’t trying to move anyone of importance.

Southeast Division

Atlanta Hawks

The Hawks are content with their roster.

Charlotte Bobcats

The Bobcats are a poor trade partner. They have little to offer.

Miami Heat

The Heat continue to stay patient and stick to their guns on their 2010 free agency plan.

Orlando Magic

The Magic want to give their roster more time together. Vince Carter and Brandon Bass may be made available but it’s unlikely.

Marcin Gortat is unavailable unless the other team is offering a quality replacement backup center.

Washington Wizards

Antawn Jamison, Caron Butler and Gilbert Arenas are available.

As are Andray Blatche and Nick Young.

Northwest Division

Denver Nuggets

The Nuggets are keeping the top eight players in their rotation off the board.

Minnesota Timberwolves

Al Jefferson is available for an All-Star. Kevin Love may also be.

Oklahoma City Thunder

The Thunder don’t seem to be involved in any major trades but expect them to be active in smaller deals.

Portland Trailblazers

Kevin Pritchard has been impressive over the last two months. I was worried that he’d screw up and make a half-brained short term fix long term problem trade.

Portland has made Andre Miller available and the rest of their role players/youth are available if the return is right. The Blazers are looking for a quality player who can make a difference both today and tomorrow.

Andre Miller may be made available for a short term big man.None of the youth are though.

Utah Jazz

The Jazz are unable to find a suitable trade for Boozer. They have made Kirilenko available but are unlikely to find any quality offers.

Pacific Division

Golden State Warriors

Corey Maggette is still available but his strong play has made GSW somewhat hesitant. It looks like Monta Ellis and Anthony Randolph have both been taken off the board due to a lack of quality offers.

The Warriors are looking to make a move to acquire talent rather than to give up talent for cap flexibility.

Los Angeles Clippers

Marcus Camby is semi-available but the Clippers are likely to ask for too much in return.

Los Angeles Lakers

The Lakers are an unknown. They may offer their expiring contracts (Adam Morrison) and change.

Phoenix Suns

The Suns don’t have much flexibility in trades. Amare Stoudemire could be made available if brought them back a young player that they could build around.

Sacramento Kings

It looks like the trading deadline is arriving too quickly for teams hoping to bid on Kevin Martin. The Kings will likely wait until next summer.

Andres Nocioni is available.

Midwest Division

Dallas Mavericks

Josh Howard and Eric Dampier are both available in trades.

Houston Rockets

Tracy McGrady is available and for the right package Houston will make some of their role players available.

Memphis Grizzlies

The Grizzlies are offering their low first round picks in the hopes of acquiring some added firepower off the bench. They’re holding tightly onto their starting five, Thabeet and their 2010 pick though.

New Orleans Hornets

The Hornets aren’t prepared to break up their core but everyone else is available.

San Antonio Spurs

The Spurs have some expiring contracts that they’re likely willing to part with.

The Players

A list of the top players made available

  • Gilbert Arenas
  • Ray Allen
  • Antawn Jamison
  • Corey Maggette
  • Kirk Hinrich
  • Caron Butler
  • Andre Miller
  • Rip Hamilton
  • Tayshaun Prince
  • Tracy McGrady
  • Andrei Kirilenko
  • Josh Howard
  • Eric Dampier
  • Andres Nocioni
  • Sammy Dalembert
  • TJ Ford
  • Elton Brand

The somewhat available list

  • Al Jefferson
  • Devin Harris
  • Marcus Camby
  • Carlos Boozer
  • Amare Stoudemire (might be)
  • Anthony Randolph (asking price is high)
  • Vince Carter
  • Brandon Bass
  • Jeff Foster
  • Troy Murphy
  • John Salmons
  • Andre Iguodala (still only considering making him available)

Conclusions

Most of the playoff teams + near playoff teams are satisfied with their current rosters and are only looking for upgrades. Not looking to rebuild or to create some flexibility to retool. Almost ten other teams are clinging onto their 2010 cap flexibility. That limits the amount of talent that’s on the market.

There are a lot of teams selling expiring contracts in the trade market, and teams do want those expiring deals, but there’s very little in the way of actual talent that’s been made available for those contracts.

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  1. Portland are saying that they have no interest in trading Andre Miller

    Miller is averaging 19.5 points, 7.5 assists, 4.3 rebounds and is shooting 51.3 percent in January.

    “We have no interest in trading Andre Miller. Zero. None. Write it,” Pritchard told the Oregonian.

    Agent Andy Miller confirmed that everything is finally coming together for his client and the Trail Blazers.

    “Maybe it’s later than everyone would have hoped, but clearly everything has come together,” the agent said. “This is where we should have been in October — it wouldn’t have been as interesting writing for you — but all the pent-up frustrations, all the misinterpretations and misjudgments, it’s righted itself.”

    Not sure if I believe them …

    They’re basing their opinions on the wrong information though. There is still a major problem with how Miller fits into the Blazers lineup + alongside their top players, when Portland is healthy.

    They’re paying too much attention to Miller’s play when he’s allowed to dominate the ball and control the proceedings due to the lack of talent on the floor alongside him.

    Edit: Good article on Andre Miller’s time in Portland. Well worth reading.

  2. Okay, I’m going to use the comments section here to discuss some small rumours and the possibility of additional players being added to the list.

    Monta Ellis

    CSNNE reports

    While the Celtics have maintained repeatedly that they have no intentions of moving any of their core guys between now and the Feb. 18 trading deadline — and I believe ’em on this one — multiple league sources confirmed today that the Golden State Warriors are giving some thought to putting together a trade package that would involve Monta Ellis going to Boston in exchange for Allen.

    The Warriors see rookie Stephen Curry as the face of the franchise moving forward. One league source said the Warriors believe that Curry won’t develop at the rate they would like as long as Ellis is around.

    The article continues

    Danny Ainge, Boston’s president of basketball operations, has talked to a number of teams about a number of players recently.

    But it doesn’t appear that this is a deal he has given any serious thought to considering.

    Is Ellis Available?

    I’m not sure if I believe that Monta Ellis is available for a salary dump. He clearly was earlier on in the season but his improved play and gaudy numbers (26.1ppg on 46% FG%, 5.5apg, and 4.1rpg in 42mpg) seemed to have taken him off the board.

    However, the Ellis + Curry combination is flawed + Ellis’ impact is lower than his numbers suggest + GSW should be trying to create some cap flexibility to rebuild. So there is a tinge of doubt … still, I’d only place his availability at around 5% or less but that’s more than it was two weeks ago. Something to monitor.

    Golden State Warriors

    The Warriors should dump Ellis, Maggette, Turiaf and possibly Biedrins.

    They should then build a new core around Steph Curry + Anthony Morrow + Anthony Randolph.

    They should be patient when growing their team, spend another year or two in the lottery to add some more high quality young talent. Then assess their cap flexibility and look to make a move. That type of 18 month plan creates a lot of possibilities for GSW to add serious talent to the above trio and possibly build the beginnings of a contender.

    Boston Celtics

    The Celtics should not consider this deal. Monta Ellis is a bad fit on this team due to his inability to effect the game in non-scoring methods (passing, defense, rebounding) as a two guard.

    Monta Ellis is a solid scoring point guard when placed alongside a playmaking wing like LeBron James. Or a decent scoring shooting guard, or solid combo guard, when alongside a big point guard who is a talented passer/playmaker (like Baron Davis was).

    Monta Ellis would be a very poor fit alongside a point guard like Rondo, especially on the defensive end but also on the offensive end. His inability to shoot the ball + his need to control the basketball makes him a poor fit alongside players like Rondo + Pierce + KG. Too much selfish offensive play from Ellis.

  3. Dave — if Danny Ainge makes that deal he’s crazy. Your analysis of Monta in Boston hits the nail on the head.

    What’s your take on Biedrins? You suggest moving him above, but I’m not convinced he couldn’t be a valuable piece of a good team (albeit perhaps an overpriced piece at his current rate). Good rebounder, solid defender in the post and on the perimeter… not much use offensively other than some ability to handle the ball away from the hoop. But he’s young, and might continue to develop a little further.

  4. Scott G,

    I love what Biedrins brings to the table offensively (excellent finisher around the rim) + his rebounding but defensively I have a lot of problems with him. I think he’s a poor-to-very poor defender. His man-to-man defense is atrocious and his team defense is below average.

    I think Anthony Randolph would develop better alongside a strong defensive presence in the middle. I’d like to see Golden State try to bring in someone to replace Biedrins who can bring that to the table.

    I’d rather see the Warriors trade Biedrins away in a salary dump than retain him … but I’m not dead set on that, unlike Monta + Maggette + Turiaf. I’m okay with the Warriors keeping Biedrins around. I just think they’re better off without him.

    I’d be more interested in Biedrins if Anthony Randolph wasn’t there or if Anthony Randolph was going to be a defense-first prospect … but it looks like the offense end is going to come a lot quicker for him, and then, after he gets comfortable offensively he’ll start focusing on improving his D (we’re likely talking about 2-3 years before he plays above average D). I think a poor defender like Biedrins + a coach like Don Nelson will drag out that process (development) longer than it needs to be.

    I just don’t like the idea of trying to develop two big man prospects together, at the same time, who are so deeply flawed defensively. It makes progress harder to achieve. And Randolph is the superior prospect so he’s the priority.

  5. Hmmm… maybe I don’t watch enough GSW, then, since Biedrins doesn’t seem to be an atrocious defender to me. He’s not a beast, but he always seems fairly active when I see him (which is admittedly seldom, as there are SO many teams that I’d rather watch).

    But, whether or not he’s as bad as you say, I definitely see the logic of avoiding the pairing of two wispy young big men in the front court. Hadn’t thought that far, as I had been thinking about AB more in the abstract. AR is definitely the superior prospect… provided he keeps his head on straight and doesn’t let Nellie’s mind games get to him!

  6. In reference to Andre Miller, consider this trade proposal:
    Portland Trades: Andre Miller, Jerryd Bayless + Cash
    Toronto Trades: Jose Calderon, Amir Johnson, and the 2011 first round round pick.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
    This trade fails on trade machine but you can’t factor in the potential of up to 3 million that is available in be used in a NBA transaction

    As a Raps fan the first round pick would be a sore spot with me considering we are this rate going to lose this year’s to the Heat. This trade would mean we would of given up 3 of our past 4 first round pick. But i think Bayless has star potential and would be well worth the inclusion of a first round pick if the TB’s require it.
    Also, Miller+Evans+Banks+Belinelli+Weems = $20,335,923 in expiring contracts assuming Weems team option is picked up.

    What is your analysis of this potential trade?

  7. Hey Simon Says,

    I think that’s a very interesting trade. For both teams. A high quality prospect like Jerryd Bayless is an excellent return in a Jose Calderon trade.

    Portland

    Calderon is near the top of my wish list of point guards for the Blazers to acquire. I think he’d be an excellent fit in that team. The type of half court, excellent shooting, and solid playmaker that they need alongside Brandon Roy and their two big men (Oden + Aldridge). Amir Johnson is a good band aid for the rest of the season while Oden and Przybilla are out injured, so more quality there. And a mid-first round pick in 2011 is a valuable asset that allows them to get another quality young player. Lots to like for Portland.

    The cost of getting those assets is an aging point guard who doesn’t fit into their team + a very good prospect in Bayless. Unfortunately, it looks like the Blazers over-value Andre Miller so that may complicate things … but even after considering that, this is a fair return for them.

    I think the decision for Portland comes down to what type of point guard they’d like to see alongside Brandon Roy. A high scoring point like Bayless or a thoroughbred floor general like Jose Calderon. Personally, I’d like to see them give Bayless more time because I really like the idea of a Roy-Bayless combination in the backcourt. However, Nate McMillan and Kevin Pritchard were both point guards in the NBA and like natural floor generals so I think they’ll be more inclined to go with a player like Calderon. Also, Nate is already on record saying that he doesn’t think Bayless is a point guard.

    Toronto

    I think Jerryd Bayless is a great fit in Toronto due to Hedo Turkoglu. Bayless is very poor in point guard areas — setting up an offense, controlling the tempo, running plays, making sure the right guys touch the ball at the right time in the right place, creating shots for his teammates — Bayless needs to be placed in a team where they can minimize his responsibilities in those areas. Say an offense like the Triangle (small PG role) or alongside a top playmaking wing like Brandon Roy or Hedo Turkoglu.

    Hedo Turkoglu’s playmaking ability will free up Bayless to do what he does best and that’s score the ball. He’s a natural scorer. An excellent penetrator. Decent midrange game and he was a high quality perimeter shooter in college so that’ll probably come in time too. Bayless is more similar to a Jameer Nelson than a Calderon, in the way that he’s more of a scoring PG who’ll allow someone else to distribute the ball. Bayless would need more shot attempts and is more of a penetrator than a shooter, in comparison to Jameer Nelson, though.

    Jerryd Bayless very aggressive. Fearless. Never backs down from a challenge. Likes to have the ball in big moments. Plays hard on both ends of the floor. He has good defensive potential due to his interest in playing defense + good athleticism (short arms + height hinder him some though). In terms of mentality, I think that Bayless is the type of aggressive scorer + fearless competitor that the Raptors need to add to their squad. And athletically, he provides very good quickness out on the perimeter.

    As for Andre Miller, I don’t care about him at all. He’s 33 and has little to no part to play in a Bayless-Bosh-Bargnani future. The loss of the pick hurts but Bayless’ youth + potential negates most of that. I don’t expect Amir Johnson to have a long term future in Toronto anyway, so I have no problem parting with him.

    Calderon + pick vs Bayless + mediocre trade asset (Miller)

    That’s a fair trade for Toronto. Somewhat risky but a good risk.

    Summary

    I think there’s good benefits for both sides. I’d be interested in making that type of a deal.

    However, Hedo Turkoglu has to be a major part of the Raptors for the next few years and replaced thereafter because Bayless is not a point guard. If Hedo’s skill set isn’t maximized, or if he’s traded and not replaced, this becomes a major problem for Toronto. Calderon is the easier point guard to build around.

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