NBA Roundtable

Amare On Trade Market?

In Trade Talk on January 25, 2010 at 10:10 am

Paul Coro reports

A league source said Golden State, Minnesota and Cleveland have shown interest in acquiring Suns power forward Amare Stoudemire.

Major hang-ups in a possible deal are the Suns’ need to get good value in return and the other team’s need to feel secure in knowing it has a chance to keep Stoudemire, who can opt out of his contract this summer.

Stoudemire has said he wants to play for a title contender but prefers to stay with the Suns, who met with his agent Thursday.

A follow up report – link
Adrian Wojnarowski reports – link

Thoughts

The Phoenix Suns are only going to give up Amare Stoudemire if they net a young star in return. Somebody proven. Someone who can they build around.

Acquiring teams are only going to give up that type of talent if they are sure Amare will stick around next summer. So that rules out lottery bound teams like Golden State and Minnesota.

Amare Stoudemire is not available for expiring contracts and change. Ruling out teams like Boston, and Cleveland and probably Houston. Although, Houston may be able to include some of their role players (Ariza) and youth (Landry, Brooks) and tempt the Suns. But even that is far-fetched.

Also, Phoenix does not own their 2010 draft pick. That is headed to Oklahoma as part of the Kurt Thomas salary dump from the summer of 2007. So there’s no upside to the Suns missing the playoffs and beginning their retooling process early.

Potential Suitors

  • Atlanta Hawks — Atlanta is likely to happy with their current team’s progress to break up their nucleus. But Amare would be the second scorer that Joe Johnson needs to push Atlanta through to the elite. The Hawks would have to give up Josh Smith or Al Horford to get it done.
  • Chicago Bulls — Joakim Noah may be good enough to tempt the Suns to give up Amare. Throw in James Johnson and a future draft pick and Phoenix has something it can retool around this summer.
  • Houston Rockets — Landry + Brooks + good player + contracts … an outside shot
  • LA Clippers — Gordon or Griffin would get it done. Highly doubtful that the Clips would consider this though.
  • LA Lakers — Andrew Bynum, again highly doubtful that the Lakers consider this.
  • Miami — Michael Beasley and future draft picks
  • New York — Gallinari + picks … maybe.
  • Portland — An Aldridge based trade, or a non-Aldridge based trade involving their youth/depth. Hard to see Pritchard risking this without a contract agreement in place first. Unlike the other hopefuls, he doesn’t need to force a move. The Blazers are already a contender when healthy and very young.
  • Sacramento — Kevin Martin and perhaps Thompson or Hawes. Do the Kings feel strongly enough that Amare will stay though?
  • Washington — Caron Butler … not really young enough or good enough but he a big enough reputation for the Suns to miss that.

There will be a bunch of other teams interested, headlined by the Cavs and Pistons, who don’t have enough to offer.

Summary

It’s highly unlikely that Amare gets traded this season.

I think Miami is the only good option for both teams that has a reasonable chance of actually happening.

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  1. Chicago Bulls

    KC Johnson reports

    Yahoo! Sports, citing sources, listed the Bulls as one of several teams showing “major interest” in Stoudemire. However, just like last season, the Bulls have reservations over acquiring Stoudemire, who will seek a maximum contract at a time questions remain about his defensive play and recovery from microfracture surgery on his knee.

    The Bulls could’ve traded for Stoudemire last season, but opted not to. He’s certainly on their radar and discussions between now and the Feb. 18 trade deadline will take place. However, to label him the Bulls’ top priority is overstating matters.

    Do the Bulls give up Joakim Noah in that case? Probably not. Luol Deng? Yeah, I think so, but that’s probably not enough to get it done.

    The Bulls may bid themselves out of the running.

    San Antonio Spurs

    Adrian Wojnarowski reports

    Another intriguing suitor could emerge in the bidding for Phoenix Suns star Amar’e Stoudemire(notes): the San Antonio Spurs.

    Multiple league sources say the Spurs’ front office has researched and debated pursuing Stoudemire to play alongside Tim Duncan(notes).

    There are questions for the Spurs to answer: Would they be willing to part with the personnel – including possibly Manu Ginobili(notes) – to make a deal happen?

    Do the Spurs want to re-sign Stoudemire to a contract extension and swell their payroll?

    Do they believe Stoudemire could be the difference for their fifth championship?

    All questions with no clear answers for the Spurs – yet.

    “They know they’ve got to do something,” says a source familiar with the front office’s thinking. “They feel like they’ve got to at least look at this … and they are.”

    As painful as it would be for the franchise and fans, the Spurs could try to part with Ginobili and his $10.8 million expiring contract to make a package work. What about burgeoning young guard George Hill(notes), a Gregg Popovich favorite? The Spurs also own the rights to one of the best young centers in Europe, Tiago Splitter(notes), whom a source says could leave the Spanish League to get to the NBA next season

    Interesting … I’m a big fan of the Spurs pursuing Amare Stoudemire. Although, not with Manu Ginobili but with Tony Parker instead.

    I don’t think Amare improves their team if it costs them Ginobili. The Spurs can handle losing Parker due to Ginobili’s immense talent + young George Hill. However, they cannot afford to lose Ginobili’s dynamic wing play. He’s their only high quality ball handler + passer, in addition to being a very good defender + rebounder, and versatile scoring threat on the perimeter. No other Spurs player, outside of Tim Duncan, can come close to that all-round game.

    A Ginobili + Bogans + RJ + Amare + Duncan lineup would be special.

    As would a Hill + Bogans/Ginobili + RJ + Amare + Duncan lineup.

    Rest of the trade package

    * Would the Spurs have to part with DeJuan Blair? That’s an acceptable loss but a reluctant one.
    * Tiago Splitter? Yeah, that’s fine because as good as he is there’s doubt about him coming over. Although, wow, Splitter would be an excellent fit alongside Amare Stoudemire for the next 5-8 years. So maybe San Antonio should keep him off the board.
    * George Hill? Hard to see Phoenix having much interest in him given their present PG situation with Steve Nash and the impressive sophomore campaign of Goran Dragic.
    * Future first round picks? Depends on the rest but San Antonio could offer 2-3 first round picks and that would be enticing. Especially in addition to a proven star like Tony Parker, likely only 1-2 then.

    Wojnarowski

    The article also mentions some other suitors

    The Miami Heat are exploring the possibility of a deal, but Pat Riley also knows he can keep Dwyane Wade(notes) and sign Stoudemire as a free agent this summer. Miami’s president doesn’t have to make a trade now. Chicago, Philadelphia, New Jersey, Detroit and Minnesota are among other teams with an interest with Stoudemire.

    New York Knicks

    Mitch Lawrence reports

    This was a night to seek out Knicks president Donnie Walsh to pop the big question: Are you getting into the Stoudemire sweepstakes?

    Across the Hudson, the Nets are trying to work a deal for Stoudemire because they’re resigned to the fact that they’re not going to be able to get James or Dwyane Wade this summer. That’s the word from inside the Meadowlands, anyway. On this side of the Hudson, the Knicks aren’t going to be players, from the looks of it. “I haven’t talked to them,” Walsh said. “Maybe now I will.”

    Part one involves Stoudemire getting moved.

    “I could see it happening,” Walsh said. “But usually, with a player like that, a trade doesn’t happen at midseason. But if (the Suns) are not happy with their team, or they think they’re going to lose him this summer, then maybe it could happen.”

    Just not to the Knicks. It’s not that they don’t have the money for a long-term deal for Stoudemire. They could sure use his scoring and athleticism up front, too.

    But there’s always been a question as to whether a team should make Stoudemire its highest-paid player when he’s not a complete player, a true No. 1 star, or a leader. In that sense, he’s risky, as D’Antoni could tell Walsh from personal experience.

    In the meantime, Walsh has to investigate other opportunities. Tuesday night’s laughter doesn’t change the fact that the Knicks probably aren’t going to make the playoffs. They’ve got a lot of ground to make up, the schedule gets more difficult after this easy stretch of six games and they’ve got a few teams ahead of them in the East for the final playoff spot.

    Everything looks better, everybody plays better, when the opponent is Minnesota.

    In any trade, Walsh isn’t going to jeopardize the Knicks’ No. 1 asset: Salary-cap space. “The way it’s set up now, we’re gonna have over $20 million for this summer,” he said. “And we can get another guy next summer.”

    The money will be there, but not for Stoudemire.

    The end of that article reads more like the author’s opinion than fact … but there’s a good chance it’s on the money.

    Donnie Walsh claiming that he hasn’t called Phoenix about Amare, yet, despite the rumour mill working overdrive tells us a lot about his interest level … which isn’t much, at least not yet.

    Cleveland Cavaliers

    Brian Windhorst article – link

    Wishful thinking from the Cavs. They simply don’t have the talent necessary to tempt Stoudemire away from the Suns.

    I just wanted to take a moment to day dream for a second …

    LeBron James + Amare Stoudemire + Anderson Varejao

    Wow, what a frontcourt that would. The backbone to a title contender for the next 5-8 years.

  2. Another update

    Link — Amare for Iggy + Dalembert

    Miami Heat

    Adrian Wojnarowski reports

    Miami Heat president Pat Riley has emerged as one of the most determined pursuers of Phoenix Suns forward Amar’e Stoudemire, proposing several different packages that make available any of his players short of Dwyane Wade, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

    The Heat have discussed several scenarios with the Suns, including packages that include combinations of young players (Michael Beasley, Dorell Wright) and expiring contracts (Jermaine O’Neal and Quentin Richardson). The Heat are also willing to part with their 2010 first-round draft pick.

    ”Nobody is pushing harder on this than Riley,” one league source said.

    The article also mentions

    The Suns are believed to be in discussions with as many as six teams, although more may yet show themselves before the Feb. 18 trade deadline.

    The Sixers, the Kings, the Heat … the article doesn’t mention the other three teams.

  3. Another update — Cavs main target + Miami’s interest grows

    Cleveland + Phoenix Talking

    Brian Windhorst reports

    According to multiple sources, over the past few days the Cavs have had advancing talks with the Phoenix Suns about All-Star forward Amar’e Stoudemire. It is not the only player they have interest in — there are still long-term-target forwards Antawn Jamison of Washington and Troy Murphy of the Pacers out there — but it seems the Cavs are focusing on Stoudemire.

    Cavs General Manager Danny Ferry and Suns General Manager Steve Kerr, former teammates and friends who already have collaborated on a big deal to bring center Shaquille O’Neal to Cleveland, met Friday afternoon in Dallas. Suns owner Robert Sarver and Cavs owner Dan Gilbert also are in town and are on the labor relations committee that met.

    Cavs Main Target

    Adrian Wojnarowski reports

    The Cavaliers have emerged as serious bidders for Stoudemire, and here’s a good reason for their pursuit: When presented with several trade proposals, LeBron James preferred Stoudemire, a league source said.

    It isn’t clear how center Shaquille O’Neal feels about the possibility of a Stoudemire deal. The two didn’t mesh well in Phoenix, where Stoudemire struggled to find space alongside Shaq.

    The Cavs would probably have to part with a package that includes center Zydrunas Ilgauskas, forward J.J. Hickson and a possible first-round draft pick.

    The idea of a LeBron James + Amare Stoudemire + Anderson Varejao frontcourt is mouth-watering. A fantastic trio to build around for the next 5-6 years.

    Miami’s Strong Interest

    Wojnarowski continues

    Privately, Stoudemire’s preferred destination is the Miami Heat, where he could pair with superstar Dwyane Wade(notes) in a far more warmer climate. Heat president Pat Riley has been relentless in his desire to make a deal for Stoudemire. He’s made available everyone on his roster but Wade, and yet it appears Miami’s offers simply aren’t attractive to the Suns.

    Cleveland can’t match Miami’s offer on a talent basis. The Heat have the better prospect (Beasley vs Hickson) + the more accomplished young talent (Cook vs Jackson/Green) + better draft picks (their own 2010 pick + Toronto’s pick, both will be more valuable than Cleveland’s).

    Cleveland may be able to offer some more wiggle room financially but that won’t be able to offset the talent difference.

    In other words, the Heat are the frontrunners to land Amare Stoudemire and Cleveland only have an outside shot … and really, the Cavs should have no shot at Amare. This looks like bad management from the Suns.

    Update — Chris Broussard writes that the Cavs-Suns deal is nearing completion.

  4. No Beasley

    Micky Arison says that Beasley has not been made available in a trade

    The Heat have been involved in trade discussions with several teams, but owner Micky Arison said that second-year player Michael Beasley has not been a part of the various proposals.

    “We’ve never put him out there,” Arison told The Miami Herald. “I know I’ve read about him being put out there. I can tell you this: We have not put him out there. The media has. We like Michael and see him as a part of our core going forward.”

    I was surprised when I saw Beasley’s name was included in Amare Stoudemire talks so I’m inclined to believe Micky Arison on this one.

    The lack of Beasley would also explain the Cavs offer, which is a piss poor offer, being given serious consideration.

    Suns Contract Extension

    Link – click here

    The Suns and Stoudemire camps exchanged contract extension proposals Friday in Dallas with the Suns offering an additional two years beyond Stoudemire’s $17.7 million player option for the 2010-11 season

    We’ll see if anything comes of this. I’m not sure the Suns are willing to pay a high price to keep Stoudemire.

  5. JA Adande has a new and interesting report on the Amare-to-Miami rumours

    With rampant speculation that Miami is trying to pry Amare Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns before the Cleveland Cavaliers can get him, here are two possible scenarios.

    According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns.

    I believe that report. I’m not convinced that Miami are willing to include Michael Beasley, and if they were, I’m not convinced that Phoenix would still be interested in what the Cavs are offering. That never added up to me.

    I think Adande’s report is the most accurate.

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